SHITOMIR & MORE, 1993
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- Herb Poppke
- 3015 NW Market Street #B117
- Seattle, WA 98107-4272
- (206) 789-0871
In the fall of 1993 I made a 32-day “solo” trip to the Ukraine. I traveled with a car, driver, and translator. The trip was arranged by the MIR Corp. in Seattle, WA. My Ukrainian headquarters were Kiew and Odessa. I did some scouting around in Kiew and Odessa, but my major activity was in Germanic settlement areas. I compiled a FOTO-ALBUM for each of these areas:
GLÜCKSTAL Foto Album, 1993 (NW of Odessa)
SHITOMIR Foto Album, 1993 (Volhynia)
TEPLITZ Foto Album, 1993 (Bessarabia)
GROSSLIEBENTAL Foto Album, 1993 (Odessa area)
Since copyrights and resolution make it impractical to include most of the maps in the online albums, I have produced 4 SUPPLEMENTS. These contain the maps and other items omitted from the online versions. I have made 3 copies of each of the SUPPLEMENTS. They are located at:
- GRHS, Bismarck – (701) 223-6167
- Herb Poppke, Seattle – (206) 789-0871
- David Poppke, Bismarck – (701) 223-7990
|HR||Heritage Review, GRHS.|
|HdR||Heimatbuch der Deutschen aus Russland.|
|HdB||Heimatbuch der Deutschen aus Bessarabien.|
|HHS||Height’s Homesteaders on the Steppes.|
|HPS||Height’s Paradise on the Steppes.|
|HMG||Height’s Memories of the Black Sea Germans.|
|BHK||Bessarabien Heimat Kalender|
|WV||Wandering Volhynian Newsletter|
|GCR||Glückstal Colony Research Newsletter.|
|PSG||Puget Sound, GRHS, Newsletter.|
|BRD||Beacon Review, Denver Area(?).|
|FASOVA (Fasovaya, Fasowaja)50° 37.5′ N × 28° 38′ E.
40 km N. of Zhitomir.
37 km S. of Korosten.
This was (is) a non-German town.
It is not listed in Sallet, Leibbrandt, or the 1962 Heimatbuch.
Moving cows from and to the pasture was a common sight. Just like in the good-old-days. Just like in Denhoff, ND.These cows didn’t look too good. I saw more of the all-red cows. They looked better. Black & whites were seen in Rosovka.
There might be more on cows in a later section.
Tuesday, 21 Sept. 1993
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
|FASOVAYA RUDNYA (Fassowaja Rudnja)50° 38′ N × 28° 39′ E.
42 km N of Zhitomir.
35 km S of Korosten.
2 km NNE of Fasova.
Tuesday, 21 Sept. 1993
500 People in 1904.
Map P354.8 w/Fasova
Located at E-4 on Map A03.
We spent only about 5 minutes in Rudnya. We did not see much of a village.
Rudnya = Mine (?)
Leonhard is working on a Village History, Village Plan, and List of People.Leonhrd also lived in Krasnoritschka = Krassnaja Retschka about 6-1/2 km west of Rudnya. See Rosovka.
I have a list of 40 families whose land was expropriated and who may have been deported in 1915. Copied from the 2 June 1916 Volinskiya Gubernskiya News, page 7, at the Zhitomir Archives. Some names are: Radke, Otto Schneider, Schmitke, Schultz, & Minke.
|COLONY LESOVSHCHINA #1350° 50.0′ N × 28° 33.8′ E.
15 km SSW of Korosten.
5 km N of City of Lesov. #10.
266 people in 1904 per Sallet, Leibbrandt, and the 1962 Heimatbuch.
Founded in 1869, and 218 people in 1904 per Kremring (see Rosovka).
This Colony was a scattered settlement, and not a village. The buildings seem to have been located on both the east and west side of the N-S Highway.
The Colony is shown on the Soviet map P316 having the dates of 1913, 32, 33, & 37. Earlier and later maps that I have do not show the Colony.
I am told that in the early 30’s the Colony was made into a Collective (Kolkhoz).
In the late 30’s this Col. and Rosa Luxemburg were consolidated into the village of Lesovshchina #4 (map 117).
Lesovshchina 4 is now Rosovka #18.
Tuesday, 21 Sept 1993.
See Rosovka and Kolkhoz Rosa Luxemburg for more information.I can find no evidence that the “Lesowschtschisna” #7 shown on the Stumpp map #3, 5 km SE of Ushomir, ever existed. A mistake(?).
The City of Lesovshchina, #10, 19 km. So. of Korosten, is a large Ukrainian town, and not the German village of Lesovshchina.
Map P354.71 w/Lesov. #10.
The old buildings shown on this sheet are now (1994) located in Rosovka. They might have been German(?).
Kremring (see Rosovka) writes that the Colony was original “pure” German. Later on some Ukrainians moved in. Biloshitsky (see Rosovka) said that in 1925 the Colony was 10% Ukrain.The old structures west of the Highway, and other scattered buildings, all have been removed. The land has been cleared for mechanized farming.
Les = Lis = Forest or woods. There are many places with the name “Lesovshchina” or something similar. This area had been forested.
My father gave as his place of birth the village of Lessofisna, Lesoffesno, Lessoschino, and similar. I think that this Colony might be the correct place(?)
My father, Theodore, also said that he worked in a sawmill. It fits.
Colony Lesovshchina #13
In the Zhitomir Archives there is a copy of the Volhynia Gubernia News, No. 56, 2 June 1916, that lists about 7526 families who were deported-? in 1915. It lists the man’s full name and the amount of land he owned. (Actually a list of land expropriation. They might have been deported also.)
It would be nice if we could get a micro-film of this Newspaper. Have.
On page 12 there is a list of 25 families who were deported(?) from Lesovshchina. I only copied the man’s last name: ?
Kupe, Minikh, Bonkovski, Freilig, Vitrin, Geldel (Heldel), Gein (Hein), Braun, Marquart, Lang, Gartke (Hartke), Kleinrad, Burschtaler, Ortlieb, Kunke, Bredin, Klyaprat. See Mai book at AHSGR, not deported, but land expropriation.
Also at the Archives is a list of 16 families who purchased 611 Dessiatin or 1650 acres of land from a German Colonist by the name of Anton Pol. 3 April 1875, Document 39, Fond 29, List 1:
August Pashkovskyj, Eduard Straus, Gottfried Schultz, Gottfried Geske (Heske, Keske), Gottfried Arandt, Ludwig Beskau, Martin Domdes, Karl Mundt, Ludwig Pankomin, Michael Schilke, Karl Desdely, Stefan Pashkat, Jan Becker, Samuel Kreschmann, Anna Nehring, Ferdinand Kaufmann. (Wasn’t there a US Senator named Karl Mundt from S. Dak?)
There is a book at the Archives that lists the villages, giving the number of houses, population, and the distance from neighboring cities.
For the Colony Lesovshchina it gives 36 houses and 310 People. This agrees pretty well with the 266 people in 1904 giving in Sallet.
LIST OF THE VILLAGES IN THE VOLHYNIA GUBERNIA, Zhitomir 1911.
Note that the underlined names also appear in the above lists.
There are a number of places with the name “Lesovshchina” or similar.
City of Lesovshchina #10, 19 km So. of Korosten. Ukrainian.
Lesovshchina #6, 2 km SW of Lesov. #10.
Lesovshchina #16, 1 km SE of Lesov. #10.
Lesovshchina #15, 4 km WSW of Lesov. #10.
Lesowschtschisna #7, 5 km SW of Ushomir. Did not exist(?).
Ewald Degen, 246 Seven Persons Drive, SW, Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada, T1B 2E1 writes in a letter of 20 Oct. 1993:
- He was a friend of Leonhard Kremring (see Fasovaya Rudnya).
- Degen knows(?) Waldemar Wilzer who was a teacher in Lesovshchina shortly before WWII.
- Degen knew a family by the name of Hempler from Lesovshchina.
- Degen lived in Krasnorechka (Krassnaja Retschka) about 38 km So. of Korosten in the Volodarsk area.
- A Nehring family left Lesovshchina in the early(?) 30’s and moved to Krasnorechka. Mr. Nehring was dragged-off in 1938. The wife and children moved to Canada.
|ROSOVKA #1850° 49.8′ N × 28° 34.6′ E.
15 km SSW of Korosten.
Map P354.71 w/Lesov. #10.
Nikolay, b1925, is quite knowledgeable about the area. He traveled with us for a couple of days. 260127 Ukraine, Zhitomir Oblast, Korosten Raion, Selo Rosovka.Map P117 shows the village of Lesovshchina #4 at the present (1994) location of Rosovka #18. Map P117 is based on Soviet maps dated from 1933 to 1943, so my guess is that the name “Rosovka” dates after WWII (?).
I have given the #4 to the village of Lesovshchina, and #18 to Rosovka. This is my way of keeping these places straight.
The village of Lesovshchina #4 was formed in the late 30’s by the consolidation of Colony Lesovshchina, Kolkhoz Rosa Luxemburg, and other scattered settlements.
Many of the buildings now in Rosovka had been in other locations. Moved and re- built.
Tuesday, 21 Sept. 1993.
These pictures are at the Community Center (Klub).
Their potatoes were small, like lemons. I never saw any large potatoes. They ate lots of potatoes.The School Girls came by bus from Korosten for lunch. We also ate lunch. Food was good.
The Klub is located at the SE corner of Rosovka. Also at the SE edge of town are the Cattle Kolkhoz and the Machinery & Tractor Kolkhoz.
See Kolkhoz Rosa Luxemburg and Colony Lesovshchina for more complete information.
Biloshitsky’s father, Paul, was killed in WWII. Biloshitsky’s grandfather, Vasiliy, was deported in 1936 and has not been heard from.
Biloshitsky’s neighbors, Rudolph and Albert Schräder, were deported in 1937 A Schräder from Kholosno was deported in 1915. See Kholosno.
George Maser of Seattle knew that I was interested in this area. So in 1991 he spent a day exploring for me. He came up with Rosovka, Biloshitsky, and Tamara. A big help!
Later, when we were at the Korosten Museum, Grishchyenko told us that there was an older woman in Rosovka who hangs out at the Klub. (See Korosten). She was born in Rosovka and might be a source of information. Her name is Grishchyenko, Nina Gratsianovna. I just noticed that they have the same surname!Well, we didn’t get back to Rosovka, but I think that the pictured woman might be Nina Grishchyenko(?).
Sergei and my driver, Andrei, were from Kiev. Andrei’s car was a Lada. It ran fine.Tamara Lapina is an ethnic German who was adopted as a child by a Ukrainian family. Tamara did not know this until she was an adult. Her German name had been Zara Dreihel. In 1991 she visited 2 sisters in Andernau(?), Germany.
Biloshitsky had told us that the German Army, in 1942, relocated the Germans from the Rosovka area to the Volodarsk area. I did not know that Volodarsk was about 42 km SSW of Korosten.
Biloshitsky took us to Veselovka, about 12 km SSW Korosten, and showed us a German Cemetery, etc. At the time I thought that this was the “Volodarsk” area. Wrong. I don’t know if the Germans from the Rosovka Area were moved to the Veselovka area.
Grishchyenko (see Korosten) told us that the Germans from the Rosovka area were relocated to the area 13 km west of Korosten in 1942. To Chernogubov Khutor. We did not check this out.
It might be that the Germans were relocated to all three areas(?). This relocation was a form of “ethnic cleansing.” See HR 24/1 March 1994, p36 & p42 for another example.
See Chernogubov Khutor. See Veselovka.
They liked to have a nice “front-room” for show. Fancy pillows and covers.A colorful rug on the wall behind the sofa.
They also draped cloths over pictures and other items. And over Grave Markers.
Kremring writes that he worked with Stumpp for a bit on the Village surveys. Stumpp lived with the Kremrings for about 3 mo. in 1942.
Kremring has a copy of the survey for the Colony Lesovshchina. Actually this would have to be for the Village of Lesovshchina #4: (???)
115 Germans in 1941 before the start of the war.
65.8% of 38 = 25 German families without a head. (When?)
19 Men, 39 Women, 16 Child. 1 to 5, 41 Children 6 to 15, 12 Babies = 127 in 1941.
26 Men and 6 Women were deported from 1921 to 1941.
Kremring mentioned that the Colony was a “Steusiedlung.” A scattered settlement and not a typical German village.
I think that this is 2 sides of the same stove.There seemed to be one of these Ukrainian Stoves in every house and/or summer kitchen.
|KOLKHOZ ROSA LUXEMBURG #1450° 20.2′ N × 28° 36.9′ E.
13 km South of Korosten.
This was not a village as such(?), but a long settlement along the road east of where Rosovka is today (1994). K.R.L. extended from about 1 km west of the R.R. to about 3 km east of the R.R.
Rosa Luxemburg is not listed in Sallet, Leibbrandt, nor the 1962 Heimatbuch.
To get a better picture of K.R.L. you need to read the Colony Lesovshchina and Rosovka material.
The black & white cattle apparently were dual-purpose. They said that most would be used for meat. About 20 were in the dairy barn. The dairy cows did not have big udders like our Holsteins. The dairy tanks and pipes were rusty and dirty. Did not look very sanitary.Map P316.4 w/Rosovka.
Tuesday, 21 Sept. 1993. Kolkhoz = Collective Farm. The #14 is my own method of keeping these places straight.
The Machinery and Cattle operations are located at the SE corner of Rosovka.The Kolkhoz was formed in the early 30’s. I have no information on its earlier history. In the late 30’s K.R.L. and Colony Lesovshchina #13 were consolidated into the village of Lesovshchina #4 (map P117).
Because of the name “Luxemburg” and the fact that they joined up with the German Colony Lesovshchina, I had assumed that K.R.L. was German. I have since been told that Rosa Luxemburg was a German revolutionary. She and her husband were assassinated in the 20’s. She became a Martyr. A number of Soviet places are named after her.
Also, the majority of the people in the village of Lesovshchina #4 were Ukrainian. I now think that K.R.L. was Ukrainian(?).
The village of Lesovshchina #4 is now Rosovka #18.
We were told that there was nothing left of K.R.L. east of the H.R. When I was east of the R.R. I could find no trace of K.R.L.
The consolidation of scattered settlements into villages seems to have been a common practice.
There seemed to have been many(?) scattered settlements in Volhynia.
|CITY OF LESOVSHCHINA #10, aka #550° 47.4′ N × 28° 34.5′ E.
E-3 on map A03.
59 km North of Zhitomir.
19 km South of Korosten.
11 km SSE of Ushomir.
Not listed in Sallet. Not listed in Leibbrandt.
This is a Ukrainian City. It never was a German Dorf.
Some Germans may have lived here(?). Some Germans may be living here now(?).
We did not look for any German Church, School, or Graves.
Wednesday, 22 Sept. 1993.
1993 = 500(?) homes = 2000(?) people.
A 1911 book gives: 301 homes, 1560 people.
The City had been mainly on the east side of the Highway. Extending in a NE direction. The 1992 map shows the City extending on the west side of the highway.
The area had been forested. There is a Titanium mine just SE of the City. There is a Titanium processing plant just to the SW of the City.
#10 is aka #5The designation of City and #10 are mine in order to avoid confusion. The name Lesovshchina or a similar version appears often. Colony Lesovshchina had been nearby. There is another Lesovshchina about 23 km ESE of Zhitomir.
Les or Lis = forest.
Map P287.4 w/Korosten.
References: My typescript of 10 Apr. 92.
A book in the Zhitomir Archives: List of the Villages in the Volhynia Gubernia. Zhitomir 1911. Heimatbuch of 1962.
In addition to #10, I have in the past used #2 and #5 to designate this City.
The Mishchuk Home.
“Schwengelbrunnen”There are many of these in Ukraine. Some are equipped with electric pumps. Has the name any connection with a farm “singletree” or “whiffletree”?
The green and yellow was attractive.
There is a nice Ukrainian stove in their summer kitchen.
260110 Ukraine, Zhitomir Oblast,
We had lunch with them. They also gave us a couple of bottles of Vodka.
Nadya is a school teacher.
260110 Ukraine, Zhitomir Oblast,
We were also given a supply of apples.
I, Herbert, am searching for relatives of my father, Theodore Poppke (Popke). Theodore was born on 4 August 1887. Theodore was born in Colony Lesovshchina in eastern Volhynia(?). Also given as Lesowschtschisna, Lesoffesno, Lessofisna, Lessoschino, and similar.
Theodore’s last Russian residence was in “Esposisch”(?). Theodore arrived at New York on 4 August 1910. Theodore traveled under the name of “Emil Weckwert” of Boritscherwalde. Theodore’s traveling companion was Emil Schmalz of Boritscherwalde. Theodore also knew Gustov Schmalz, and August Krieger of Boritscherwalde.
Theodore’s father had been in the Franco-Prussian war, 1870-1871(?). Theodore’s father had been wounded(?). The father’s speech and hearing were impaired(?). There were 8 children in the family(?). At least 2 were boys(?). One of the girls was named “Martha”(?).
3015 NW Market St., B117
Seattle, WA 98107
1414 No. 16th St.
Bismarck, ND 58501
|LESOWSCHTSCHISNA #7 (my #7)50° 49.4′ N × 28° 30.5′ E.
5 km SE of Ushomir. E-3 on map A03.
The Stumpp Map (my A03) is the only place that shows Lesowschtschisna at the above location. I can find no supporting evidence that there ever was a village by the name of Lesowschtschisna at the place indicated by the Stumpp map.
When I was in the area during the fall of 1993, none of the people I contacted could confirm a Lesowschtschisna at that location.
I have many old maps of the area and none show a Lesowschtschisna at that location.
A book at the Zhitomir Archives gives 10.7 km from Ushomir to Colony Lesovshchina. List of the Villages of Volhynia Gubernia Zhitomir, 1911.
I think that the Stumpp map is in error.
Theodore Poppke probably was not born at Lesowschtschisna #7.
|LESOBUDA (Lesovska Buda, Lissa Buda, Lesovskaya Buda)50° 45.7′ N × 28° 33.6′ E.
3 km south of Lesovshch. #10
55 km N. of Zhitomir.
22 km S. of Korosten.
Not listed in Sallet, 1962 Heimatbuch, or Leibbrandt.
Map P354.71 w/Lesov. #10.
A book at the Zhitomir Archives calls this a “Colony” and lists 75 Houses and 582 People. List of the Villages in the Volhynia Gubernia. Zhitomir 1911. Page 226.The designation “Colony” and the fact that many German people lived in Lesobuda indicates that this village was indeed a German Colony.
We did a bad job in Lesobuda. We failed to get Nadya’s full name and address. Also, didn’t get the names of the children.
Evdokiya said that the old cemetery is now under the Titanium Plant located to the north of Lesobuda.
Wednesday, 22 Sept. 1993
See the 1962 Heimatbuch.
Les = Lis = Forest
I have a list of 53 families who were deported (?) from Lesobuda in 1915. Copied at the Zhitomir Archives from the 2 June 1916 VOLINSKIYA GUBERNSKIYA NEWS, page 12. #56. Listed were the man’s complete name and the amount of land that he had. I copied only the surname:Obshohestvo(?) Kolonistov(?), Tein (Hein), Fester, Kesling, Kinets, Gein (Hein), Schmiedt, Seifert, Schultz, Stober, Mor, Brezemler, Ressler,Straus, Lyausch, Fuks, Geller (Heller), Domday, Schmuland, Otto, Maier, Divert, Kinert (Ginert), Albrecht, Kollert (Gollert), Penner, Kelert (Gelert), Braun, Meisner, Minikh, Reizler, Schiewe, Gompler (Hompler, Kompler), Markhel, Gausmann-Liske (Hausmann), Geidel (Geitel), Freilich, Glaser, Scheiwe, Pitter (Peter, Bitter, Pieter), Breidoff, Nehring, Penner, Dräger.
Some of the names were repeated.
Some of the names are the same as appear in other villages in the vicinity.
My father, Theodore Poppke, gave as his village “Lesoffesno”, his foster father was Karl Albrecht, and he worked in a sawmill with Looey Seifert. Fred Otto lived in my home town of Goodrich, ND.
Is it possible that Les + Buda = Woodworking Plant or maybe Sawmill?
See Lesowschtschisna #7 for more on Theodore Poppke.
I think Stober also lived in Goodrich(?).
Now, 1994, as I look at these names, I am having a hard time explaining why we spent so little time in Lesobuda. We were always in a hurry, and sometimes not too sharp. Maybe stupid.
I need to go back!
|TITANIUM MINESThese are located just east of the Highway and about 2± km south of Lesovshchina #10.
And about 57 km north of Zhitomir, and about 21 km south of Korosten.
I was surprised to see this operation out on the Plains. I thought that this type of thing went on in the mountains.Titanium is used in steel. Evdokiya in Lesobuda said the old cemetery was buried under the titanium plant.
SOME ADDED COMMENTS, 27 Oct. 2001
In March 2001 I received a note giving me some information from the St. Petersburg Records from a Mr. Diethard Kolewe, SGGEE #014, 1-845-534-1366 email@example.com. The Storm King School, Cornwall-on-the-Hudson, NY 12520 Diethard’s parents came from Western Volhynia. Diethard was born in WWII in German Poland. Diethard is a school teacher.
The information: Auguste Poppke born 29 Dec. 1884 in Lesowitschtsche. Father = Gottfried Poppke. Mother – Regina Redmann. (I have many spellings of Lesovshchina).
This is the first information that I have ever had about people that could be my people. I don’t have a computer. I am too old and decrepit. Possibly someone else can follow-up on this search.
When I was in Volhynia my “Poppke” search centered around #18 Rosovka, and #13 Colony Lesovshchina both located about 15 km SSW of Korosten.
About 3 km south of the “City” of Lesovshchina (my #10, aka #5) is Leso Buda. I spent only a few minutes there. No time. But when I got home I found that I was familiar with several Leso Buda names. I regret not spending more time in the area. #10 Lesovshchina is about 19 km south of Korosten.
A lady of Leso Buda, Nadva, passed information along to her friend who lives a few km to the east:
- Olga Oleksandrenko, born 1923. (An ethnic German) see P48.
- Selo Moisejewka
- 260110 Ukraine, Zhitomir Oblast, Korosten Raion
- Zhitomir Street
Olga and I exchanged a couple of letters. She had much information that I at first discounted. I now think that Olga had a lot to offer. I have a file folder on Olga and on Moisejewka. I wish that a younger person would go back to that area and do some more scouting. Including:
#6 Lesovshchina about 2 km SW of #10; #16 Lesovshchina about 2 km SE of #10; #15 Lesovshchina about 4 km WSW of #10; and also Leso Buda and Moisejewka.
The area has changed from 1910. The forests are gone. Titanium Plant. Open-Pit mines. New roads. The old-timers are gone. The Germans are gone.
A sister of Olga came to America. Berta Freilich. No other information. Can any one help?
(Table:) Volhynis Gubernia News Shitomir, 2 June 1916, No. 56
List of people and expropriation of their land.
The land is given in Dessiatin + Square Sashen.
One (1) Dessiatin = 2400 Square Sashen = 2.7 Acres. (1 sashen = 7 feet)
24 sheets of this Newspaper are in the Shitomir Archives. I was told that this was a list of people who were deported. I have since learned that it is a list of land expropriation. The people might have been deported.
Brent Mai put these 24 sheets on the computer. AHSGR has this in book form and on disc(?).
#1569 Renata Freilich is an aunt to Olga Oleksandrenko. See page 41.
Don Miller of Hillsboro, Oregon obtained a Photo-Copy of the 24 sheets.
George Maser of Seattle is now (2001) in possession of these 24 sheets.
(The names Otto, Albrecht, and others are familiar to me)
|KOLBASHCHINA (Kovbaschina, Kowbaschtschina)50° 50.8′ N × 28° 29.3′ E.
16 km SW of Korosten.
2 km SE of Ushomir.
Friday, 24 Sept. 1993.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
They gave us a sack of apples. Aleksandr insisted on getting his jacket with the metals before taking his picture.
This consolidation was part of the Kolkhoz (Collective Farm) program. Large areas were cleared so that they could be farmed on a large scale with machinery. Also, it was difficult to provide services – phones, electricity, etc. – to the scattered settlements.
|USHOMIR (Uschomir)50° 51.6′ N × 28° 28.7′ E.
16 km SW of Korosten.
D-3 on map A03.
17 Germans in 1926.
Stumpp’s map #3 shows a village Lesowschtschisna (my #7) 5 km SSE of Ushomir. I have found that village on no other map. So I came to the area to investigate.
Both in Ushomir and in Kolbashchina we found no one who knew of a village Lesowschtschisna at the location described. Because of road conditions we drove no farther SE. The people said there was nothing to be seen.
I think that Stumpp’s map is in error.
|KHOLOSNO (Cholosno)50° 52.0′ N × 28° 37.6′ E.
E-3 on Map A03.
10 km south of Korosten.
270 people in 1904.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
Ivan b1958 is the son of Ivan b1933 and Mariya b1936. Langer’s surname in now “Gorbatiy.” Ivan, b1958, didn’t have much to say. We didn’t see Ivan, b1933. He might be dead(?).Some people with a Kholosno connection are: Augustadt (Glietz) of Goodrich, ND. Don Miller of Hillsboro, OR. Irma Stober (Mrs. Alfred Schlack) of Fallbrook, CA.
Ivan (Langer) Gorbatiy
Biloshitsky lives in Rosovka
See 1962 Heimatbuch.
I have a list of 20 families who were deported (?) in 1915. Copied at the Zhitomir Archives from the 2 June 1916 Volhynia Gubernia News:Hoffman, Dobermann, Langer, Kesling, Braun, Stober, Edel, Volter (Walter), Baer (Bayer), Stefan, Peyter, Schreder (Schröder), Ebert, Janke.
Also from Fond 19, List 3, Document 1328, page 5: In 1875 Henrich Stauber of Novogoroshkovskaya Buda purchased land in the Colony of Kholosno.
The women were more informative than Ivan, 1958.
|CITY OF GORSHCHIK50° 54′ N × 28° 18.0′ E.
25 km WSW of Korosten.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
Emyelyanovka is a suburb located at the SW(?) end of Gorshchik.
I think that Gorshchik is a consolidation of several former villages in the vicinity.
Wiesental (Hortschik, Gortschik, Hortcitl)
Rosental: We were told that this village was near to Wiesental and Blumental but on the opposite side. of the road. I can find nothing about Rosental.
(See Kol. Kalinowka)
Didkovskiy, Nikolay b1955.
260125 is also for Gorshchik
Friday, 24 Sept 1993.
They said that there was nothing to be seen at the old villages. We didn’t try to find them.
That there Is a German Church in Gorshchik. Some German Gravestones in the Gorshchik Cemetery.There had been a German Cemetery at Zhupanovka, 6 km ENE of Gorshchik. The Cemetery was obliterated by the new highway.When the Germans moved to the West in 1943 or 1944, a Lehman(?) family remained in the Korosten area.Father = Gerbert (Herbert) now dead.Mother = Name unknown now dead.Sergei = son now dead.Vladimir son now dead.Daughter Zinaida Pravda is now, 1993, living in Emyelyanovka by Gorshchik.
Don Miller of Hillsboro, OR 97124, might have a Wiesental connection. 12814 NW Bishop Road. (?) Don visited there in 1995±.
I have a list of 60 families who established the Colony of Wiesental (Gorshchik) 2 April 1863. I copied this at the Zhitomir Archive from Document 3218, Fond 17, List 2 on Monday, 20 Sept. 1993.
Seller of 1410 Dessiatin (1495 Sazh.) land was Konstantin Dovgird.
The names are: Shlyak (Schlack), Stauber, Fuks, Tauber, Kop, Wolf, Gretsinger, Janke, Schultz, Kolert, Steinke, Zimmer, Kart, Minkh, Schuster, Liats, Daumer, Zyulkovskyj, Potrats, Marquart, Bormann, Jaronchik, Chepanovskyj, Bredin, Gveter (Gewetter), Dautert, Pliat, Gotsky, Leisner, Winsky, Yobe (Jobe), Guze, Panknits, Polits, Brede, Tsil, Rents, Stirmer, Gistou (Kistou), Schvoru, Gozhky, Asmon, Zhykovsky, Kuppe, Dreifs, Ginter (Hinter), Eihorn(?)(Eichorn), Giller (Hiller). [Liats = Less(?)]
I* also copied the man’s first name, but omitted it in the above list.
*Kostya Samojlenko did the copying.
We didn’t go back to Gorshchik after talking to Grishchyenko in Korosten so we did not check out his information.
Kol. Kalinowka This is shown on the map P119.4 w/Kolbashchina, about 1-1/2 km west of Horszczyk. Could this be “Rosental”? Could this be “Emyelyanovka”?
|VESYELOVKA (Wessolowka)50° 51.6′ N × 28° 34.0′ E.
12 km SSW of Korosten.
3 km NNW of Rosovka.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
The Cemetery is shown on map P354.
The Cemetery is located about 1-1/2 km east of Vesyelovka, and about 1/2 km west of the R.R. tracks.The Cemetery is on the north side of the road. The old German Cemetery is just to the north of the Ukrainian Cemetery.
I found only one German Gravestone.
Biloshitsky said that there had been a wooden Baptist Church on a knoll about a block NE of the German Cemetery.
The German Church was torn down in the 30’s. Nothing is left to be seen.
Nikolay Biloshitsky of Rosovka had told us that in 1942 the German Army had moved the Germans from Rosovka to the Korosten area in the Volodarskiy Raion.
When Biloshitsky took us to the Vesyelovka Graveyard I was under the impression that this was the area to which the Rosovka Germans had been moved.
I have been unable to make a connection to “Volodarskiy” Raion. Volodarskiy is to the South of Rosovka.
To make things more confusing, Mikhail Vasilyevich Grishchyenko, the Director of the Korosten Museum, told us that the Rosovka Germans were moved to the area of Chernogubov Khutor in 1942.
This Khutor was about 12 km west of Korosten, and about 10 km NNW of Ushomir. And about 1 km ENE of Davidky. We did not go to Chernogubov Khutor. See Chernogubov Khutor.
Recently (1994), I have learned that Volodarsk is located 42 km SSW of Korosten. Not near to Vesyelovka.
I have also learned that people from Rosovka were in the Volodarsk area.
The Germans could have been moved to all three areas. See Rosovka.
I think that this relocation of the Germans might have been a form of “Ethnic Cleansing”(?).
|KOROSTEN50° 57.0′ N × 28° 38.0′ E.
141 km WW of Kiev.
77 km N of Zhitomir.
E-3 on map A03.
159 Germans in 1926.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
See: Chernogubov, Rosovka, Veselovka, Gorshchik.Mikhail Vasilyevich Grishchyenko.
Mikhail is the Director of the Museum. He was very knowledgeable about the former German Colonies. We talked to him on our last day in the area so we didn’t get a chance to check on what he told us. See cities listed above.
He told of a German Colonist by the name of Ziklau (Ziglau) who was a chief Collaborator during WWII. Ziklau returned to his colony after the war, but was sent to Siberia. Ziklau had been instrumental in sending Ukrainians to forced-labor camps. One man lost a lung while in one of the camps. This man saw to it that Ziklau got sent to Siberia.
Mikhail told us that the present village of Rosovka was formed in 1934-38(?) by the consolidation of many scattered settlements in the area. Colony Lesovshchina, and Rosa Luxemburg were part of this consolidation.
Saturday, 25 Sept. 1993.
About 1 km ENE of Davidky.
Map P312, M-35-45, 1 cm = 1 km.
50° 57.0′ N × 28° 26.6′ E.
13 km W. of Korosten.
10 km NNW of Ushomir.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
Map P354.71 w/Lesov. #10
Map P117.4 w/Chernogubov.
Mikhail Vasilyevich Grishchyenko, the Director of the Korosten Museum, told us that the Rosovka Germans were moved, in 1942, to the area of Chernogubov Khutor. We did not go to Chernogubov.
Mar P354 shows a cemetery about 2 km north of Davidky. ? ? ?
Nikolay Biloshitsky of Rosovka had told us that in 1942 the German Army had moved the Germans from Rosovka to the Korosten area in the Volodarskiy Raion. I think that this relocation of the Germans might have been a form of “Ethnic Cleansing”(?). [Not Volodarskiy area]
Biloshitsky took us to an old German Graveyard 1-1/2 km east of Vesyelovka and about 3 km north of Rosovka. At that time I was under the impression that Vesyelovka was the place where the Germans had been move to.
Recently (1994), I have learned that Volodarsk is located 42 km SSW of Korosten. Not near to Vesyelovka or Chernogubov. I have also learned that people from Rosovka were in the Volodarsk area.
The Germans could have been moved to all three areas.
|MAKAKOVKA (Starosele)51° 6.3′ N × 28° 18.0′ E.
29 km NW of Korosten.
8 km WNW of Luginy.
Saturday, 25 Sept. 1993.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
See the 1962 Heimatbuch.
The new name is Starosele (Old Village). I like Makakovka better!
There is a Novoselka 2 km SSE of Starosele. (Makakovskiy)
This was not a German village. The people said that there had been a German Kolkhoz up north near Krasnosyelka. We did not go there. It turns out to be the Colony Bobrichi.
Looey Seifert said he was born in Makakowka. Also his last residence was in Luginy (Luhiny). Looey came to the USA 30 May 1911. His mother remained in Makakowka(?).
My father, Theodore Poppke, and Looey worked together as blacksmiths. Poppke gave as his place of birth: Lessofisna. Lesofschino, Lesoffesno, or similar. There is a Urocz Litowszczyzna just NE of Makakovka. Any connection?
Ur. = Urocv (Polish)
Mariya Kuzminishna, b1909.
Nikolay said that their house was 150 years old. It was very “primitive” inside. It seemed that the more “primitive” the home, the more enthusiastic the “Welcome to our Home.” My picture of Nikolay’s 200 year-old pear tree didn’t turn out. Lens cover problems.
|MAKAKOVKA RUDNYA (Novo Rudnya, Rudnia Makakowska, Rudnya Makakovskaya)51° 6.5′ N × 28° 19.3′ E.
27 km NW of Korosten.
7 km WNW of Luginy.
1-1/2 km ENE of Makakovka.
The new name is Novo Rudnya, I liked the old name better!
Saturday, 25 Sept. 1993.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix.
See 1962 Heimatbuch.
Rudnya = Mine (?). There are/were coal mines.Looey Seifert, a blacksmith who worked with my father, worked at the Velva, ND coal mines. Any connection to Rudnya.
Looey said that he was born in Makakowka, and that his last residence was Luginy (Luhiny).
Novo Rudyna was not a German Settlement. But there were Germans to the north in the Bobrichi area. 6 – 8 km away.
Luginy = 25 Germans in 1926.
Bobrichi: 51° 10.8′ N × 28° 18.2′ E. (Colony)
8 km N. of Makakowka, 34 km NW of Korost.
D-2 on map A03. 1 km east of Krasnosye.
Colony Bobrichi = 700 People in 1904.
According to my reckoning Colony Bobrichi is located 4.8 km SW of where it is shown on the Stumpp map #3.
The old maps show the Colony as a group of scattered buildings. Not a cohesive village.
Note that there is a village, Bobrichi, located 6 km NW of Makakowka. Makakowka is now Starosele.
Note on map P151 there is a Kol. Bobrycze located 2 km NNE of the village of Bobrycze, and 7 km NNW of Makakowka.
Bobrichi does not appear on the 1992 map P354; only on older maps.
Krasnosyelka: 51° 10.6′ N × 28° 17.0′ E.
8 km N of Makakowka, 35 km NW of Korost.
1 km west of Colony Bobrichi.
Krasnosyelka appears on the 1992 map P354 but does not appear on earlier maps. I think it is a new village.
I think that Krasnosyelka is a consolidation of the scattered buildings in the Bobrichi area. Krasnosyelka might be the modern name for Bobrichi.
The people at Makakowka (Starosele) told us that there had been a German Kolkhoz up north near Krasnosyelka. We did not attempt to go there. It is only now (1994) that I know that this was the Bobrichi area.
The consolidation of scattered settlements into villages is common. See Rosovka, Kolbashchina, & Gorshchik.
Map P354.7 w/Appendix
Map P284.4 w/Bobrichi.
Map A03 Stumpp Map.
See the 1962 Heimatbuch for Volhynia.
|KIEV (Kiyev)50° 27.8′ N × 30° 30.0′ E.
H-5 on map A03.
2.5± million people.
City Center &, old city are on the west, hilly, right-side of the Dnepr. The new town is on the east, flat, left-side of the Dnepr River.
These churches and many others are found in Pecherskaya-Lavra (Monestery of the Caves). 11th ± Century.The Lavra is a major tourist attraction.
See regular publications for more information on Lavra and Kiev.
On Sunday, 19 Sept 1993 attended one of the services. “Standing Room Only.” Beautiful singing. Beautiful ritual. Crowded. [No sitting]
FROM CATHERINE TO KHRUSHCHEV by Adam Giesinger, 1974, page 238:”The years 1906 to 1911 were given a special character by the man who dominated the Russian domestic scene, Peter Stolypin. Appointed minister of the interior in 1906, he became chief minister in 1907, which he remained till he was assassinated in 1911. Although he saw no way of governing except by keeping the Tzar’s authority absolute, he was an able and practical man, interested in the welfare of his people. After restoring peace and order in the country, which he did with great firmness, he addressed himself to the task of solving the problems of the peasantry. To improve agriculture and to raise the status of the peasants he introduced legislation which promoted individual peasant proprietorship in place of the prevailing communal ownership.” (His grave is alongside one of the churches)
Herb Poppke, 19 Sept. 1993.Kievo-Pecherakaya Lavra, a former monestery, and now a favorite tourist attraction.
Many beautiful churches. One could easily spend a whole day there.
Just call it “The Lavra.”
Raisa Nikolayevna is not shown.Hotel was OK. They had hot water!
I saw Lucia di Lammermoor in Kiev. Nice.
Beautiful, restored House.
The lady said that the leaf was “Natural” gold.
The toilets were white, and clean!
And I did other tourist things.
|BABY YAR in KIEVThis memorial is at a ravine in Kiev where the Germans murdered about 140,000 people – mostly Jews.
(Inside Russia Today, p421, John Gunther, 1958)
I think the Plaque says 100,000 (?).
KIEV 20(?) Sept. 1993
A suburb of Kiew.
Many of my pictures did not turn-out. Shutter problems.
More on the Museum of Folk Architecture and Peasant Households or the Ukrainian SSR. A Kiew Suburb.The Docent was a young, pretty girl. Helpful and knowlegeable. She gave us a head of Sunflower seeds from the local garden.
My Foto of the Docent and other pictures failed me.
Toilets, if any, just had a hole in the floor.The portable seat would be a big improvement for our tour grours. Especially for older people like me.
I suggest that someone come up with a folding model. (Non-collapsible)
The tour group could form a Co-Op, or “pay-per-use.”
I understand that our people 200± years ago had no(?) toilets. They went whenever and whereever(?).
DO NOT ACCEPT GIFTS OVER A FENCE
DO NOT GATHER MUSHROOMS IN A CEMETERY
The toilet shown here belongs in the Glückstal volume. Velikaya Mikhalovka. (The City)
This is an improved model. Note that the seat has 2 positions.Note that the seat is wrapped with cloth for sanitary purposes.
Most toilets that I saw had no seat. Just a hole in the floor.
Some of the better models had blocks to put your feet on.
Note the toilet paper supply in the left-rear corner.
It had an electric light!
10 Apr 1992
My father, Theodore Poppke,(2) was born in Volhynia in 1887. His village was Lessofisna(?), or Lesofschino, or Lesoffesno, or similar. The closest village that I can find is Lesowschtschisna, or Lesovshchina,(3) or something similar. Lesow relates to forests or woods, since Volhynia is a wooded area, this term appears frequently.
I have been involved with German Russian work since 1972, and so far I have found little about my father’s background. He never told us much about his life in Russia, and some that he did tell has proved to be untrue(?). He died in 1962 before I knew enough to ask meaningful questions. I continue to make a half-hearted effort to work on the Poppke genealogy but with little success.
Not being able to make much progress on my Poppke research, I have tried to learn as much as possible about Lesowschtschisna. But the more I learn the more confused the situation becomes. Instead of the one Lesowschtschisna given in the German Russian literature, I have found a number of villages with similar names on Russian maps. And to make matters worse, I can find no indication of a Lesowschtschisna 5km. SSE of Uschomir, the location shown on Stumpp’s map.
And further, there is evidence of one or more Germanic settlements east of Stumpp’s Lesowschtschisna that have not(?) been mentioned in the German Russian literature. This settlement area is near the highway and the railroad, and about 14 to 17 km. SSW of Korosten. These villages are: Lesovshchina #4, Lesowshchina #8, Lesowschtschisna #9, Kolonie Lessowschtschina #13, Rosa Luxemburg #14, and Rosovka #18.
To avoid confusion, I have assigned numbers to the various places. Stumpp’s Lesowschtschisna in the German Russian literature I will henceforth refer to as Lesowschtschisna #7.
I have learned little about Lesowschtschisna #7. There were 266 people in 1904; the Parish was Shitomir; the Rayon was Uschomir. Lessowtschisna was listed on pages 12 & 13 of “Wandering Volhynians” 1989, No. 3. As of now I know of only one other family with a Lesowschtschisna connection, and they have not been able to give any help.
Years ago the AHSGR Library was located at Greeley, Colorado. I was living in the Denver area in 1976 and visited the Library a couple of times. I found an old roll of maps that Stumpp or his helpers had used as working tools for the production of the finished maps that are now in the AHSGR Collection. I made a Xerox copy of the area between Shitomir and Korosten. About 17 km. SSW of Korosten were two places of interest: Lesowtschina #8 east of the railroad, and Lesowschtschisna #9 east of the highway. #8 & #9 are about 9km. & 6km. ESE of where Lesowschtschisna #7 is supposed to be. Lesowschtschisna #7 is not shown!
I have given my number P125 to Stumpp’s working map. This is a Russian map that has the German names of the villages superimposed over the Cyrillic spelling. The transliterations are in bold print, and the Germanic village locations are marked with a solid black square, triangle, or circle. #8 is in bold print but its location is not blacked-in. #9 is in bold print and its location is shown by a solid black square. This is an indication that these are Germanic villages.
I have been concerned that Lesowschtschisna #7 does not appear on the working map P125, and that #8 & #9 do not appear on the finished AHSGR map. I have given my number A03 to the AHSGR map. I have found that Stumpp’s finished maps generally agree well with the Russian military maps. Even the little dash marks that Stumpp uses to indicate the village plan fit the Russian layout. It is apparent that Stumpp used Russian military maps as the basis for his maps. Stumpp shows Lesowschtschisna #7 with two dashes like an = sign, except rotated to a SW-NE direction. I have failed to find such a village layout on the Russian maps.
In 1988 at a meeting of the Puget Sound Chapter of GRHS, Ewald Wuschke had a number of USA military maps. One of these showed three “Lesovshchina.” I acquired this map and numbered it P117. The three villages are: Lesovshchina #4 is between the highway and the railroad, and about 14km. SSW of Korosten. #4 looks like a fair-sized city. Lesovshchina #5 is just east of the highway, and about 19 km. SSW of Korosten. #5 looks like a sizable city. Lesovshchina #6 is just SW of #5, and looks like a suburb of #5. I now had more “Lesovshchinas” than I knew what to do with.
In 1991, George Maser, who lives here in the Seattle area, made his second trip to Volhynia. His people came from the Polish area west of the Shitomir Area. His Russian highway map showed a Lesovshchina (my #5) = #10. Since he was aware of my interest, he went out of his way and spent a day exploring the area around #5. He reports that this is not a city but more like a residential community. The natives at #5 said that this village had never been Germanic, but that there had been a Germanic village and graveyard up north at Rosovka (my #18).
Rosovka #18 appears on the Russian highway map (my P287) and is located between the highway and the railroad, and is about 14 km. SSW of Korosten. Maser reports that Rosovka is more like a bedroom community than a city. Note that Rosovka #18 seems to be located at the same place as Lesovshchina #4 of map P117.
At Rosovka, Maser met an elderly gentleman named Nikolay Biloshitsky who had been the postmaster back in the 30’s. Nikolay said that the area had been Germanic and had been called Lesovshchina. This is in agreement with map P117, Lesovshchina #4. Nikolay further stated that the area had also been called Rosa Luxemburg. Luxemburg sounds German to me.
Nikolay said that the German graveyard was out in the field and suggested that a monument be erected before the graveyard was completely obliterated. Maser did not go to the graveyard but he has the impression that it is SW of Rosovka and about half-way to the highway(?).
Maser met an ethnic-German woman in Rosovka who was born Zara Dreihel in 1931. She was adopted by a Ukrainian family and renamed Tamara Lapina. Tamara gave no information about the German Russian settlements.
Since Maser’s return from Volhynia I have acquired a number of Russian military maps from the Library of Congress. These naps show: Kolonie Lessowschtschina #13 west of Rosovka and near the highway. Kolkhoz Rosa Luxemburg #14 east of Rosovka and extending east of the railroad. Lessovshchina #15 about 4 km. SW of #5, and Lessovshchina #16 about 1-1/2 km. SE of #5. #16 is a Kolkhoz(?). (Kolkhoz – Collective Farm) See maps P290, P316, and P319.
Note that the Library of Congress maps confirm the existence of Rosa Luxemburg that had been mentioned by Nikolay. It would have been nice if Maser had had all these maps and the time to explore more thoroughly, but still he managed to come up with some new information. Maser did not ask about Lesowschtschisna #7, and Nikolay did not volunteer any information about Kolonie Lessowschtschina #13. This #13 could have been Germanic. The Russian maps often use the designation “Kol.” for foreign settlements. Could Lesowschtschisna #7 have been located at #13? It is difficult to determine what existed a hundred years ago; so many changes have taken place; so many people are no longer with us.
As of now I have no evidence of Germanic people in Lesovshchina #5, #6, #15, or #16. Lesowtschina #8 is shown too far south but I keep trying to connect it to Rosa Luxemburg #14(?). Lesowschtschisna #9 also is shown too far south but I keep trying to connect it to Kolonie Lessowschtschina #13(?). #9 and #7 are spelled the same, and both are the handiwork of Stumpp. Are they one and the same? I think Kolonie Lessowschtschina #13 is a good bet for a Germanic settlement. Lesowschtschisna #7 may have been located where shown by Stumpp on map A03, but I can find no supporting evidence.
A slight digression. My father said that he and Looey Seifert worked as blacksmiths at a sawmill. Looey’s village was Makakowka #17, about 30 km. NW of Korosten. Ron Neuman gave me a Polish map, my P140, that shows Makakowka. About 3km. NE of #17 is Ur. Litowszczyzna #12. This looks like a wooded area. The name is similar to Lesowschtschisna. Is this just a coincidence? I have seen no mention of Makakowka in the literature.
Even if I determine the location of Lesowschtschisna #7, I will still not know where my father had lived. So my quest will have to continue.
- Herb Poppke, born in 1921 in Goodrich, North Dakota. 3015 NW Market St., Apt # B117, Seattle, Washington, WA 98107, 1-206-789-0871.
- Theodore Poppke (Popke), born in 1887 in Lessofisna(?)/Volhynia. At age 1-1/2 he was taken in by the Karl Albrecht family. Poppke learned the blacksmith trade from Albrecht. Poppke arrived 4 August 1910 at New York from Hamburg on the SS President Lincoln. Poppke used the name and ticket of Emil Weckwert of Borischerwalde(?)/Volhynia. Poppke’s traveling companion was Emil Schmalz(?) of Borischerwalde(?). August Krieger of Goodrich, or Manfred, N.D. was Schmalz’s uncle. Poppke’s last Russian residence was Esposich(?).
- The various spellings can result from different transliterations.
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